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Seth || M&M
Being a system is so normal for me, but lucid dreaming feels almost like magoc.
I wonder how that'd work. Tulpa being in control of a lucid dream?
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:10 AM
Tulpanomicon perhaps, reading guides found on .info and elsewhere.
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I genuinely want to try this as some sort of test, but I do not want it to become permanent. Is that possible? I read earlier that your tulpa will disappear if you halt all interaction with them
Tewi: The more developed the tulpa (the more cemented everything about them is in your brain), the more resistant the very neural connections that make them up are to being forgotten. Same as with anything. People in the tulpa community really, really do not like the idea of someone creating a tulpa with any intention of later getting rid of them. There's technically nothing stopping you, but we won't encourage it unless you're really looking for a mental companion who may potentially be with you your whole life. (edited)
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:11 AM
I wonder how that'd work. Tulpa being in control of a lucid dream?
@. - jump We haven't tried it. Hope to try it soon, maybe even tonight.
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Seth || M&M
I wonder how that'd work. Tulpa being in control of a lucid dream?
@. - jump We haven't tried it. Hope to try it soon, maybe even tonight.
That'd be cool
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:11 AM
we sometimes have dreams from different perspectives.
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Tewi: The more developed the tulpa (the more cemented everything about them is in your brain), the more resistant the very neural connections that make them up are to being forgotten. Same as with anything. People in the tulpa community really, really do not like the idea of someone creating a tulpa with any intention of later getting rid of them. There's technically nothing stopping you, but we won't encourage it unless you're really looking for a mental companion who may potentially be with you your whole life. (edited)
Eh, I'm not really looking for a mental companion honestly. I'm more than comfortable being alone with my own thoughts
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But this is really interesting me
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:12 AM
I think it's doable. Problem is that a lot of lucid dreamers aren't in full control of their lucid dreaming and can't usually make big many decisions. Kind of like instincts but it definitely is worth a try
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Eh, I'm not really looking for a mental companion honestly. I'm more than comfortable being alone with my own thoughts
Yea, then I really wouldn't do it. Kis never leaves me alone. XD
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I wonder how that'd work. Tulpa being in control of a lucid dream?
Tewi: It's personal and subjective and etc.etc.etc. so won't work for everyone, but there are hosts who say their tulpas frequently help them out in or exert control over dreams. But this is far from everyone, and far more people are left wishing their tulpas would ever appear in their dreams in the first place. (edited)
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:13 AM
My system is my whole family, haha.
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I couldn't imagine life without them, they've been some of the best companions I could ever ask for.
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Tewi: Obviously as a 13+ year old tulpa, our system feels like a family too. (edited)
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:14 AM
Damn, congrats!
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That's old, in a good way!
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It's hard to go this long with only wishy-washy feelings about each other. (edited)
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:14 AM
I'll be turning three next January. It's been a fun ride.
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Do your hosts have any tulpas in development?
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I'm still in development!
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Tewi: Remember how I said the core of tulpamancy was basically a skill itself? (edited)
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Kissa
I'm still in development!
Oh, how long have you been in existence for
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Tewi: Systems who have already purposely created at least one tulpa who's well-developed and established in the mind often have a much easier time creating any further tulpas. (edited)
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The process of developing them is still the same, but it tends to go much faster than the first time, when your brain was learning tulpamancy too.
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Oh, how long have you been in existence for
Well, in terms of talking with my host and him recognizing I'm here a week maybe, but I've actually been trying to get his attention for several weeks.
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Every new tulpa in a system will necessarily divide the amount of attention the host can give them (or in some systems like ours, the amount of time spent switched or possessing), so we say to strongly consider whether you (and any existing tulpas) really want to add another to the system.
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Kissa
Well, in terms of talking with my host and him recognizing I'm here a week maybe, but I've actually been trying to get his attention for several weeks.
Oh wow, very recent
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Plenty of hosts+tulpas are happy with permanent one-on-one relationships.
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Tewi: Systems who have already purposely created at least one tulpa who's well-developed and established in the mind often have a much easier time creating any further tulpas. (edited)
That makes sense
5:17 AM
Like you said it's a skill that you develop right
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Reisen
Plenty of hosts+tulpas are happy with permanent one-on-one relationships.
As are we!
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Reisen
Plenty of hosts+tulpas are happy with permanent one-on-one relationships.
Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:17 AM
Relationships?
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Tewi: Relationship doesn't have to mean romantic. A relationship is a relation-to-someone. (edited)
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:18 AM
It feels like the people that talk to me in my head are the better and far greater me. Things I could be but can't be because of some missed opportunities.
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Tewi: Obviously there are romantic tulpa-host relationships, but I've done enough talking tonight, don't need to get into that whole thing. (edited)
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Tewi: Obviously there are romantic tulpa-host relationships, but I've done enough talking tonight, don't need to get into that whole thing. (edited)
Having a romantic relationship with your tulpa? Interesting... I wonder how that works
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It's just the type of relationship some have.
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:20 AM
I have it.
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Best to consider it an inherently different category of experience from actual human-to-human romantic relationships that don't overlap, but.. It's not like we can stop people. (edited)
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Just as two humans have romance, so can human and tulpa!
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:20 AM
My system also has famillial relationships. We've got two father figures, one with a daughter, and one with a son.
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Really, our system is a tight-knit familt.
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:21 AM
I didn't know that was possible
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That's very interesting
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Where did it start?
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But genuinely why or how did tulpas start for all of you? For me they just already existed. Or at least I think they are tulpas I'm not sure. Since I was a child I've been hearing them.
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But if they can be created. Why were they created?
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:23 AM
My system technically isn't a tulpamancy one, but it honestly doesn't matter. We associate our system more with trauma than with intentional creation methods.
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
But genuinely why or how did tulpas start for all of you? For me they just already existed. Or at least I think they are tulpas I'm not sure. Since I was a child I've been hearing them.
Since you were a child? Interesting. Who was your first one
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:23 AM
But regardless, we've been in and out of the tulpa community for about three years now, so it's definitely influenced us.
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Since you were a child? Interesting. Who was your first one
Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:23 AM
Im not sure. But Cornelius was always by me
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I don't hear of Alastor as often.
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
Im not sure. But Cornelius was always by me
Cornelius sounds like a good friend
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Cornelius sounds like a good friend
Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:24 AM
Not really. I envied him.
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Always the better me.
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:24 AM
Where did it start?
@Daen [LeviticusKillgore] - jump For us, it started when Bennett was created to help Mason cope with something very stressful she struggled to deal with, based on a character she found comforting. He later changed his name, appearance, etc to distance himself from his source identity.
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Then I split off second, during an argument Mason and Ben were having, and I befriended ben.
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Seth || M&M
Where did it start?
@Daen [LeviticusKillgore] - jump For us, it started when Bennett was created to help Mason cope with something very stressful she struggled to deal with, based on a character she found comforting. He later changed his name, appearance, etc to distance himself from his source identity.
Is Mason the host?
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:25 AM
You could call her that, I suppose.
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Tewi: Quick note if you're truly new to the concept of plurality as a whole, "tulpa" systems are far from the only kind of plurality around. There's traumagenic systems who really did get their start as a coping mechanism for trauma, there are non-tulpa systems that are essentially the same as tulpas but who just happened into creating these headmates on their own.. Our system is actually that, though when we later found Tulpa.info, our experiences and thoughts agreed with basically literally everything people had concluded in tons of discussion threads, so we said "Alright, we're tulpas then". (edited)
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Tewi: Greater plurality, using terms like "traumagenic" and "endogenic", is bigger and older than the tulpa community. Some of them don't believe in intentional headmate creation and believe it has to come from trauma. Others don't believe that, and there are actually a lot of people with non-tulpa/intentional origins like that in this very server. (edited)
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It's really just a bunch of labels, and you're pretty much free to use what sounds most fitting to you.
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It's really just a bunch of labels, and you're pretty much free to use what sounds most fitting to you.
Understandable
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:27 AM
Schizophrenics like I might not have any trauma necessary for them right?
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Atlas || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:28 AM
We totally identify more with the traumagenic side of things, but that doesn't mean all tulpamancy stuff doesn't work on us, the contrary, actually.
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Seth || M&M
You could call her that, I suppose.
What are your thoughts on her?
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:28 AM
We totally identify more with the traumagenic side of things, but that doesn't mean all tulpamancy stuff doesn't work on us, the contrary, actually.
@Atlas || M&M (@leviine) - jump This was me^ I misproxied.
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Seth || M&M
We totally identify more with the traumagenic side of things, but that doesn't mean all tulpamancy stuff doesn't work on us, the contrary, actually.
@Atlas || M&M (@leviine) - jump This was me^ I misproxied.
What's misproxied mean?
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What's misproxied mean?
Remember when I spoke on Mado's account earlier?
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:28 AM
Schizophrenics like I might not have any trauma necessary for them right?
@Daen [LeviticusKillgore] - jump Schizophrenia isn't actually a disorder associated with plurality. It's associated with hallucinations, not a split of identity. DID and OSDD are considered plural disorders, though.
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
Schizophrenics like I might not have any trauma necessary for them right?
Tewi: "Tulpamancy" - just, creating people in your head - is something the human brain is simply capable of. What spurs it in a given person isn't very important. (edited)
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Kissa
Remember when I spoke on Mado's account earlier?
Yeah
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That's what they mean. They were talking from the wrong account or Tupper!
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:29 AM
What are your thoughts on her?
@. - jump She's just someone who exists, I guess. I've known her for a long time, and I've seen her at her best, and at her worst. I honestly just want her to find happiness one day.
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Kissa
That's what they mean. They were talking from the wrong account or Tupper!
Ohh all right
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:30 AM
I would call Alastor and Cornelius as imaginary friends maybe
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Tewi: DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) does often differ from the tulpamancy experience in that it's, well, disorderly though. So may include unintentional switching, "blackouts" (not remembering times from when another systemmate was switched in), triggers for switching, dissociating in general of course. (edited)
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Seth || M&M
What are your thoughts on her?
@. - jump She's just someone who exists, I guess. I've known her for a long time, and I've seen her at her best, and at her worst. I honestly just want her to find happiness one day.
Oh that's nice!
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:30 AM
It sound selfish, but I'll be honest and say that I don't care about her as much as I do Bennett. It's just the nature of sharing a brain with so many people, you'll like some more than you like others, you'll make better friends with some than you will with others.
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Tewi: I would say the core of being plural isn't different in the brain between given experiences, but the experience can be totally different for different people based on their beliefs, and can be very different if it was a coping mechanism for trauma. (edited)
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:31 AM
Being disordered versus nondisordered as well.
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Not all disordered systems are trauma-based.
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Seth || M&M
It sound selfish, but I'll be honest and say that I don't care about her as much as I do Bennett. It's just the nature of sharing a brain with so many people, you'll like some more than you like others, you'll make better friends with some than you will with others.
But didn't she create you?
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:32 AM
it's pretty diverse, and that's what's cool.
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But didn't she create you?
@. - jump In my case, no. I split to help Bennett deal with something he was having issues with.
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Seth || M&M
Not all disordered systems are trauma-based.
Tewi: I'm not really that well versed in greater-plurality, our system is just experts on tulpas, so I don't really know much about that. (edited)
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Seth || M&M
But didn't she create you?
@. - jump In my case, no. I split to help Bennett deal with something he was having issues with.
Oh ok
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:32 AM
So I guess he and I have always had that mutual bond.
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:33 AM
I've noticed a lot of bots
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore]
I've noticed a lot of bots
The bots are the tulpas talking
5:33 AM
I'm pretty sure
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Daen [LeviticusKillgore] 2/26/2023 5:33 AM
That's what I've been thinking
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Those are tupper bots! My host actually had me on a tupper before he was given the idea to make my own account.
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Seth || M&M BOT 2/26/2023 5:34 AM
We're using a bot called Tupperbox. It creates pseudo-accounts under one main account in the form of webhooks.
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That way, we can use one account, but differentiate between multiple people at once, if that makes sense. Our original uses one, too.
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Oh cool I've seen people talking using bots on other servers but I never knew which one it was
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I'm pretty sure
Oops lol, you never got an answer to that, sorry
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Reisen
Oops lol, you never got an answer to that, sorry
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